Chapter 7 of Revelation: when are the 144k actually sealed? Are they the same as the “Great Multitude” in Rev 7:9-17? If not when does that take place?
The 144,000, could line up with the events mentioned “look at the Trumpets”.
Revelation 8:7-9 (NKJV) 7 The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up. 8 Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. 9 And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
Revelation 7:3-4 (NKJV) 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
Hurt not the earth nor the trees until we have sealed the servants of God in their foreheads. Please note:The Jews are not yet the servants of God?
The first mentions is the 144,000 as Tribes, the second all nations and all saved from those nations which is a further conformation the the 144,000 is the totality of both Jew and Christian?
Regarding the Great Multitude”, I think this could be a Glimpse forward into the Heavenly City?
Revelation 7:9-17 (NKJV) 9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, (Note: This is where many would put the Marriage Feast.)
(This doesn’t seem to be referring to the 144,000 and “standing before the throne and before the Lamb” usually refers to God and the Lamb.)
10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
A similar view of this description can be found in Revelation 21:3 (NKJV) 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. Revelation 22:1 (NKJV) 1 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.)
11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen.”
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” 14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.
16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
(The latter imagery is only found in Rev. 21-22
Are the 144,000 Jewish or both Christian and Jew “The Elect”?
“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” The “All Israel” doesn’t receive the Lord until His Coming.
Just to keep in mind if the “they”, the 1/3 Jewish Remnant having gone through Jacob Trouble Jer.30 The Great Trib. Enter the MK in natural bodies….at His Second Coming.
Zechariah 12:9-10 (NKJV) 9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
Zechariah 14:2-9 (NKJV) 2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. (Armageddon)
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. (Acts 1)
…..9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be– “The LORD is one,” And His name one.
Another Glimpse forward into the Heavenly City?
Revelation 14:1-5 (NKJV) 1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. (This still looks a bit like the Heavenly City)
4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. (Faithful Bride of Christ) These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit, (False Doctrine) for they are without fault before the throne of God.