In Search Of The Origins Of The PreWrath Doctrine
Part 2: Rosenthal, Van Kampen And The Early Church Fathers?
By Ed Tarkowski
The Shaky foundation of Pre-Wrath
An Evaluation of the New “Pre-Wrath” Rapture Theory
William Arnold III
Areas of Agreement · Major Areas of ProblemThe new “Pre-Wrath” rapture theory was devised by Robert Van Kampen and has been popularized largely by Marvin Rosenthal. The major work on this subject has been Rosenthal’s “The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church” (1990). However, Van Kampen has now published two of his own works, “The Sign” (1992) and “The Rapture Question Answered: Plain and Simple” (1997). The subtitle of Rosenthal’s book reads: “A new understanding of the Rapture, the Tribulation, and the Second Coming.” The word “new” is both in italics and in a different color than the rest of the type. This own self-acknowledgment of their view places them under the same condemnation as that of Pre-Tribulationism as not being part of the “faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3), but instead being a new innovation. According to Rosenthal’s own assessment of himself, he is “in the technical sense . . . not a scholar,” and he refers to Van Kampen simply as a “Christian businessman.” This lack of scholarship is reflected in his book, which demonstrates a definite unfamiliarity with Biblical Greek.
1. The wrath of God occurs only after the rapture (p. 61).
2. The Day of the Lord is a time of God’s wrath (p. 35).
3. “The Rapture occurs on the very day the Day of the Lord begins” (p. 117).
4. On page 189 he states, “Those four words, ‘at the last trump,’ reveal in the clearest possible way the precise occasion when the Rapture of the church will occur.”
5. According to his chart on page 61, the rapture occurs after the Great Tribulation. This is by definition the Post-Trib position.
6. He also argues very vigorously that there is only one coming (pp. 129, 222-224).
1. He proposes a strict sequential interpretation of the book of Revelation (p. 35, 112), which is crucial to his position. This has already been discussed in The Order of the Book of Revelation.
2. He divides the 70th week into three parts (p. 61), whereas the Bible routinely divides it only into two. He places the rapture and the beginning of the Day of the Lord somewhere in the middle of the second half (p. 61). He also states that the starting point of the Day of the Lord is crucial to his position (p. 117, 126), yet there is no biblical justification to place this starting point where he does.
3. In order to distinguish the rapture from what he calls the “return in glory,” he has a rapture where Christ is not bodily present (p. 217-218). Compare this to the only rapture passage in the Bible which states that “the Lord Himself will descend from heaven” (1 Thess. 4:16).
4. If he can maintain a gap of up to several years between the rapture and the “return in glory” yet still claim that this is one event, then the only difference between his position and that of pre-tribulationism (seven years) is the duration of this gap.
For more discussion on the problems of the Pre-Wrath position, visit these two sites:
Pre-Wrath stands on the grounds of trying to convince everyone that seals are in order and that the signs in the sun and moon are the answer…but they don’t usually tell you that happens 5 time in the Book or Revelations. Have a look…..
The Order of the Book of Revelation
William Arnold III
Attempt to understand the book of Revelation has given rise to a great deal of controversy. I think it is because of this controversy and the variety of opinions surrounding this book that so many ministers avoid it altogether. This is very sad because it is the only book in the Bible which gives a specific blessing to him “who reads and those who hear” its words (1:3), and it is an epistle written to the church (v. 4).
The opinions range from a strict chronology to the idea that there is no sequence of events whatsoever. A strict chronology is impossible. For instance, Revelation 14:1 has Jesus standing on Mount Zion with the 144,000 Jews when the bowls are still yet to come in chapter 16 and his return in chapter 19. Revelation 11:15-19 states that Jesus has now received the kingdom and begun to reign, that the time for the dead to be judged has come, and that it is time to destroy those who destroy the earth. All of these are events which take place after the Tribulation. Revelation 7:15-17 seems to depict eternity (compare to 21:3-7). Revelation 10:7 states that with the seventh trumpet “the mystery of God is finished.” In 13:1 John first sees the Beast coming out of the sea which would be very difficult to reconcile with what has been going on if this is when he first appears (especially chapter 12). Revelation 12:4 is best understood as taking place in eternity past with verse 5 as a reference to the birth and ascension of Christ (although some would understand it differently). Revelation 14:17-20 describes the harvest by the angels which Jesus said would take place at the “end of the age” (Matt. 13:39). Both 14:8 and 18:2 describe the fall of Babylon as if it has just taken place. Revelation 6:12-14 describes the great cosmic signs which Jesus said would take place “after the tribulation” (Matt. 24:29). And both 6:14 and 16:20 describe the disappearance of all mountains and islands.
Among those who fall between a strict chronology and the idea of no sequence whatsoever, there are two major schools of thought concerning how to understand the order of the book of Revelation. The first is the view which sees the seals, trumpets, and bowls as sequential with some of the events in between as being interruptions of this order. The second view sees the seals, trumpets, and vials as all leading up to the end. It sees this as the same story told from different points of view, similar to the different accounts in the gospels. Each time John describes events that lead up to the return of the Lord and the end of the age from a different perspective.
Now the difference between these two views is significant. I will attempt to show that the second is to be preferred. This is based primarily on the similarity of events described towards the end of the seals, trumpets, and bowls as demonstrated in the following chart:
Sixth and Seventh Seal
Sixth and Seventh Trumpet
1. A great earthquake2. Voices, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake3. Angel cried with a loud voice
4. Every mountain and island taken out of their way
7. Day of his wrath is come
8. Silence in heaven
9. Great multitude in heaven
1. A great earthquake2. Lightnings, voices, thunderings and an earthquake3. Great voices in heaven
5. Great hail
6. Temple opened; voices heard
7. Thy wrath is come
8. Mystery of God is finished
9. Time of the dead
10. Kingdom given to Christ
1. A great earthquake2. Voices, thunders, lightnings and a great earthquake3. Great voice from heaven
4. Every island fled away and the mountains were not found
5. Great hail
6. Great voice out of the temple
7. Fierceness of his wrath
8. “It is done”
9. First resurrection (ch. 20)
10. Christ reigns 1,000 yrs (ch. 20)
Although some of these are debatable there seems to me to be overwhelming evidence here linking these events. The most logical understanding is that these are describing the same events with some giving more details and some leaving out details. This is more plausible than the idea that all these things take place multiple times. We could look at several of these events, but I want to focus on one in particular: I grew up on an island. Imagine that every island on the planet disappears. Now imagine that every mountain is leveled. Think about it: THIS CANNOT HAPPEN TWICE! Mountains and islands do not “grow back” after five or six years. If nothing else, at least these must both describe the same event.
Not only do these events parallel each other, but they parallel other passages. For instance, the sixth seal parallels the description of the end by both Jesus and Joel:
Joel (Joel 2)
Jesus (Matt. 24)
John (Rev. 6)
1. In the last days (Acts 2:17)2. Sun into darkness, moon into blood3, 4. Wonders in heaven . . .
5. . . . and in the earth
6. Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD
1. After the tribulation2. Sun darkened, moon does not give its light3. Stars fall from heaven
4. Powers of the heavens shaken
6. Then the Son of Man appears in the sky
1. At the sixth seal2. Sun became black, moon like blood3. Stars of heaven fell to earth
4. Sky receded as a scroll
5. Mountains, islands disappear
6. Jesus is seen / day of his wrath has come
Jesus plainly states that the great cosmic signs would take place “after the tribulation.” John has them occurring at the sixth seal. We must therefore conclude that at least the sixth seal is after the Tribulation. Furthermore, the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19) clearly describes the end and is said to finish the mystery of God (10:7) as was already stated.1 Also, as John is approaching the seventh trumpet he is told that he “must prophesy again concerning many peoples and nations and tongues and kings” (10:11). This leads me to believe that the sixth and seventh trumpets bring us to the end, and then John starts back over from a different perspective listing different events with the bowls.2 Finally, it seems likely that this seventh trumpet parallels Paul’s last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:52 and Jesus’ trumpet in Matthew 24:31.
Although I do not see a strict chronology, I do see a literary flow of the book of Revelation (characters are usually introduced into the story before they are discussed, such as the 144,000 in chapter 7 and the great harlot in chapter 17). This type of structure may seem strange to us, but it is common in other parts of the Bible and fits very well with the Semitic style of the book. In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus describes the first 3 ½ years (beginning of sorrows) followed by the second 3 ½ years (Tribulation) and finishes with the coming of the end (Matt. 24:4-14). Then he returns to discuss the midpoint in verse 15 and the second 3 ½ year period again in verse 21. This is similar to the story of creation in Genesis 1 and 2. Moses tells the whole story and then returns to expound on the creation of man in more detail. This is how I understand the seals, trumpets, and vials. They are increasingly more telescopic of events leading up to the end.
Footnotes1. Compare to Daniel 9:24, where the completion of the seventieth week is said to “seal up vision and prophecy.” <back>
2. Even Pentecost recognizes this point, cf. J. Dwight Pentecost, Things to Come (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan Publishing House, 1958), 187-188. <back>